MLBClubHouse "Around The Horn" 8th Edition

[jtcorbeil]

if you win this debate and you actually think your right, and if marlin agress then i will never post on this site again, you are dead wrong!

[cardsfan643]

What are you, like 10 years old?

It's called a debate, and you called me clueless. The whole point of this motherf*cking thread is to argue about topics. I disagreed with you and you're threatening to leave?

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cardsfan643 said:

jtcorbeil said:

saying the jays and marlins suck is horrible, they are my two favorite teams, 2 teams that will make a serious move this year, there talent is at a high level and they have what it takes to get it done without spending a new york billion

I didn't mean to say "they" suck, I meant to say "that would" suck. I wouldn't want to watch the Yankees or Mets smash the Jays or Marlins in the World Series (I think they would).

If you divide the talent by putting great teams together and average teams together, it would be like two different levels of baseball.

People would call the great league "Major League Baseball." They would call they other league something like "AAAA baseball."

The other league would be a joke. It would turn into a joke during the World Series.

Dude I remember that feeling from the 06 WS after the NL haven't won a All-star game after about 12 years. It stink.

[jtcorbeil]

who is talking about the royals or pirates, were not even talking about those divisons at all, come on dude make sense, stop looking to other poor teams to help your cause, the jays and marlins are not bad teams, the jays finished higher then the red sox last year, and i wouldnt put it past the marlins to win the series this year or next year, the team you never expect to win has always won (last 4 or 5 years) - Who would have thought the Cards would have won, or the Angels - Its not the team that gets there, its the heart of the team that wants it the most once their there that will win, you dont have to be the yankees or a powerhouse to win the series, was the marlins a powerhouse when they won? was the Angels?

[cardsfan643]

I'm not saying that the Jays and Marlins are bad. I just don't think it's worth having mediocre World Series after mediocre World Series just to see more teams play. What is wrong with having the best team each year play each other? It's the owner of the team's responsibility to please the fans, and if he doesn't do whatever is necessary to put the best possible team out there and the fans aren't pleased, it's the owners fault. You can't fault the system of how the divisions are set up, because they've been that way for years.

[cardsfan643]

jtcorbeil said:

who is talking about the royals or pirates, were not even talking about those divisons at all, come on dude make sense, stop looking to other poor teams to help your cause, the jays and marlins are not bad teams, the jays finished higher then the red sox last year, and i wouldnt put it past the marlins to win the series this year or next year, the team you never expect to win has always won (last 4 or 5 years) - Who would have thought the Cards would have won, or the Angels - Its not the team that gets there, its the heart of the team that wants it the most once their there that will win, you dont have to be the yankees or a powerhouse to win the series, was the marlins a powerhouse when they won? was the Angels?

You're contradicting yourself. You are saying that in the past five years, unexpected teams have won. So what's wrong with how the divisions are set up? Isn't your whole argument to get the average teams a chance to win the World Series? Well it looks to me like they are getting their chance.

[jtcorbeil]

who f*cking cares about ratings, this is baseball - if there was no fans the game would still go on - its not about t.v, its not about who makes the most, its about BASEBALL, and whoever deserves to be there deserves to be there, who cares if there not the "favorite" or there not a marketable world series team, its about baseball, its a game, its a past time, whoever turned into a business should be shot, because its losing the "fun" feeling.

[jtcorbeil]

i think baseball should go to the same playoff format as the NHL. Fair enough? top 8 teams in either league get to play, 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7 in the ranks and so on and so on, this would be fair to both leagues and the fans would love it. And more revenue to teams with lenghty playoff runs - this and cutting the schedule to 96 games and leaving the divisons alone

[jtcorbeil]

other things you would get from this - less injuries!!!!

[cardsfan643]

Baseball is exactly that, a business. If there were no ratings, there would be no televised baseball. If there was no televised baseball, there would be less fans paying to go to games. If there were less fans paying, the players would be paid less. If the players would be paid less, there would be less players because they can't make a living out of the sport. See where I'm going with this?

Baseball, and any other sport, is very much a business at the professional level.

[cardsfan643]

jtcorbeil said:

i think baseball should go to the same playoff format as the NHL. Fair enough? top 8 teams in either league get to play, 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7 in the ranks and so on and so on, this would be fair to both leagues and the fans would love it. And more revenue to teams with lenghty playoff runs - this and cutting the schedule to 96 games and leaving the divisons alone

The schedule hasn't been changed for at least half of a decade. Good luck trying to get that changed.

I wouldn't protest to something like that, but that is very different from putting all of the most talented teams into one division.

That was what I was arguing against.

[cardsfan643]

I just noticed this part of your post...

jtcorbeil said:

if there was no fans the game would still go on

Isn't the basis of your argument that the divisions should be changed so small market teams get a chance, so their fans have something more enjoyable to watch?

And no, the game would not go on without fans. There wouldn't be owners of teams to give money to players, stadiums, and employees if there weren't fans to give them money by going to games and buying merchandise.

Also, TV ratings matter because teams get huge TV deals (like the NY teams) because TV stations know that baseball generates viewers which equals advertising money.

[cardsfan643]

I'm done with this conversation, my girlfriend is coming over.

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cardsfan643 said:

jtcorbeil said:

who is talking about the royals or pirates, were not even talking about those divisons at all, come on dude make sense, stop looking to other poor teams to help your cause, the jays and marlins are not bad teams, the jays finished higher then the red sox last year, and i wouldnt put it past the marlins to win the series this year or next year, the team you never expect to win has always won (last 4 or 5 years) - Who would have thought the Cards would have won, or the Angels - Its not the team that gets there, its the heart of the team that wants it the most once their there that will win, you dont have to be the yankees or a powerhouse to win the series, was the marlins a powerhouse when they won? was the Angels?

You're contradicting yourself. You are saying that in the past five years, unexpected teams have won. So what's wrong with how the divisions are set up? Isn't your whole argument to get the average teams a chance to win the World Series? Well it looks to me like they are getting their chance.

And because this underdog teams had to beat tough teams in their own division to get a playoff spot, that is what make this 2001-2006 WS result even more special. If we had 1 all mighty division, it will be rename as the ESPN division while the rest of the division won't exist since bandwagon fans only follow the good and skillful teams.