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Post by shea05 on Nov 18, 2007 21:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 18, 2007 21:22:38 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal is reporting a deal is only close to being done.
I question the legitimacy of this since there were reports the Mets' 2B target was Eckstein (a better choice considering health).
I would rather they use a Gotay-Easley-Marlon Anderson platoon this year and then try to get Orlando Hudson who is a far better longterm option than Castillo.
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Post by Ziggy/Franzen Troll on Nov 19, 2007 1:14:39 GMT -5
too old
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 19, 2007 14:27:28 GMT -5
Agreed. If this signing is true, Omar is an idiot.
If he doesn't get Johan Santana, Erik Bedard, Dan Haren, or Scott Kazmir on the Mets come opening day and they have another miserable season, he should be fired. He does nothing except make big signings. It works when Pedro Martinez or Carlos Beltran are FA's. Not so much when it's Luis Castillo and Livan Hernandez.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Nov 19, 2007 15:18:21 GMT -5
Agreed. If this signing is true, Omar is an idiot. If he doesn't get Johan Santana, Erik Bedard, Dan Haren, or Scott Kazmir on the Mets come opening day and they have another miserable season, he should be fired. He does nothing except make big signings. It works when Pedro Martinez or Carlos Beltran are FA's. Not so much when it's Luis Castillo and Livan Hernandez. ur an absolute fuckin idiot...firing minaya would be as bad as trading kazmir...he's the reason for turning around the mets...they had a good season last year, up until the last 2 weeks...if they would hav won 2 more games out of those last 17, not only would they hav won the division, they would hav won 90 games...i cant believe how much u talk out of ur ass
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 19, 2007 15:21:13 GMT -5
The Mets only had 2 good months in 2007, April and May. They were a sub-500 team in their last 108 games. The reason the Mets turned around is b/c Minaya signed Pedro and Beltran to make them a credible team. As we've seen the past 2 years, when good players aren't free agents (or available in a fire sale), he doesn't get the job done.
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Post by Josh on Nov 19, 2007 15:26:48 GMT -5
Mike what has he done besides sign big games? He lacks much skill besides signing on the dotted line.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Nov 19, 2007 15:26:56 GMT -5
The Mets only had 2 good months in 2007, April and May. They were a sub-500 team in their last 108 games. The reason the Mets turned around is b/c Minaya signed Pedro and Beltran to make them a credible team. As we've seen the past 2 years, when good players aren't free agents (or available in a fire sale), he doesn't get the job done. it wasnt just beltran and pedro...after all the injuries in 2006, they still won 97 games...lets see... he got beltran he got pedro he got delgado (who did very good in '06, not so much last year) he got moises alou he got shawn green (who did pretty well) he got marlon anderson (was the best pinch hitter in baseball last year) he got oliver perez as a THROW IN he got john maine as a THROW IN he got el duque he got lo duca (who did great in '06) he got wagner he got feliciano he got jorge sosa (who filled in very well as a starter this past year and then did very well in the 'pen) he got ambiorix burgos (who has alot of potential and can be a future shut down closer)
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Nov 19, 2007 15:27:44 GMT -5
Mike what has he done besides sign big games? He lacks much skill besides signing on the dotted line. i could say the same thing about the yanks gm...wut can he do besides throwing around money and totally fucking up the chemistry in the clubhouse?
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 19, 2007 15:47:28 GMT -5
"he got beltran he got pedro" They were just big signings. They overpaid but had to to make the team credible.
"he got delgado (who did very good in '06, not so much last year) he got lo duca (who did great in '06)" They were part of the Marlins' fire sale. He didn't pull off a brilliant trade to get them, he just gave them some MiL scraps.
"he got moises alou" Who played a total of 87 games.
"he got shawn green (who did pretty well)" This was a salary dump on Arizona's part. It wasn't a brilliant trade.
"he got marlon anderson (was the best pinch hitter in baseball last year)" He let him walk after 2005 in favor of Julio Franco. He got lucky the Dodgers were through with him this year.
"he got oliver perez as a THROW IN he got john maine as a THROW IN he got el duque" I give him those 3
"he got wagner" Again, just another big signing
"he got feliciano" Not true, Feliciano was with the team since 2002. He re-signed after spending 2005 in Japan.
"he got jorge sosa (who filled in very well as a starter this past year and then did very well in the 'pen)" He was ok, nothing great.
"he got ambiorix burgos (who has alot of potential and can be a future shut down closer)" He only has set up potential. We'll have to see how this deal pans out.
Minaya is a serviceable GM. He has a good eye for talent (or at least trusts people with good eyes for talent). His problem is he can't make a big trade to really improve the team. Everyone and their grandma knows the Mets need an ace. The odds are the Mets will not have a rotation in which Pedro Martinez is the #2 starter by opening day; a bad way to start the season, IMO. I love Pedro but he's not a consistent ace anymore. Unless he does that, he's not a good GM. He might be gun shy from trading Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips for half-a-season of Bartolo Colon but he's in a position where the team can afford to sign an extension with the acquired free agent-to-be like Santana or work a new deal down the line like Haren, Kazmir, or Bedard.
I like Minaya but I don't think he's the guy to make the Mets the team they can be. He did a good job turning the Mets around 3 years ago but he doesn't have the skills to make them into a NL powerhouse. Especially since the NL is filled with teams with young talent like the D'backs and Rockies.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Nov 19, 2007 16:06:28 GMT -5
"he got beltran he got pedro" They were just big signings. They overpaid but had to to make the team credible. "he got delgado (who did very good in '06, not so much last year) he got lo duca (who did great in '06)" They were part of the Marlins' fire sale. He didn't pull off a brilliant trade to get them, he just gave them some MiL scraps. "he got moises alou" Who played a total of 87 games. "he got shawn green (who did pretty well)" This was a salary dump on Arizona's part. It wasn't a brilliant trade. "he got marlon anderson (was the best pinch hitter in baseball last year)" He let him walk after 2005 in favor of Julio Franco. He got lucky the Dodgers were through with him this year. "he got oliver perez as a THROW IN he got john maine as a THROW IN he got el duque" I give him those 3 "he got wagner" Again, just another big signing "he got feliciano" Not true, Feliciano was with the team since 2002. He re-signed after spending 2005 in Japan. "he got jorge sosa (who filled in very well as a starter this past year and then did very well in the 'pen)" He was ok, nothing great. "he got ambiorix burgos (who has alot of potential and can be a future shut down closer)" He only has set up potential. We'll have to see how this deal pans out. Minaya is a serviceable GM. He has a good eye for talent (or at least trusts people with good eyes for talent). His problem is he can't make a big trade to really improve the team. Everyone and their grandma knows the Mets need an ace. The odds are the Mets will not have a rotation in which Pedro Martinez is the #2 starter by opening day; a bad way to start the season, IMO. I love Pedro but he's not a consistent ace anymore. Unless he does that, he's not a good GM. He might be gun shy from trading Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips for half-a-season of Bartolo Colon but he's in a position where the team can afford to sign an extension with the acquired free agent-to-be like Santana or work a new deal down the line like Haren, Kazmir, or Bedard. I like Minaya but I don't think he's the guy to make the Mets the team they can be. He did a good job turning the Mets around 3 years ago but he doesn't have the skills to make them into a NL powerhouse. Especially since the NL is filled with teams with young talent like the D'backs and Rockies. pedro had a 2.50 era when he came back last year after injuries...also, ur saying he won't get an ace, but it's only a month into the offseason
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 19, 2007 16:48:53 GMT -5
He had a total of 5 starts though. He's not going to pitch over 200 innings or get 200 strikeouts.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Nov 19, 2007 17:01:45 GMT -5
yea, but in his 5 starts after major arm surgery he pitched 28 innings which is almost 6 per start, which is fine after surgery like he had...i think he can still be a good pitcher, especially b/c he said his arm feels better than it has in years
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 19, 2007 17:24:42 GMT -5
6 innings isn't an ace. It's foolish to bank on him being your #1 going into next season.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Nov 19, 2007 17:29:12 GMT -5
6 innings isn't an ace. It's foolish to bank on him being your #1 going into next season. thats why i said "COMING BACK FROM MAJOR SURGERY"
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