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Post by yankeeswonseries on Jul 26, 2008 5:53:40 GMT -5
I honestly love it. A lefty reliever, something we don't have, a player that is currently on fire in Xavier Nady, for Ohlendorf and a few other Minor league players? Here we come #1 spot in AL East  . |
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Post by seaver41 on Jul 26, 2008 10:56:14 GMT -5
Nady is ok but he's having a career year. Marte is good. The Yankees were badly misusing Ohlendorf and he'll flourish with Pittsburgh now. Tabata was a good OF prospect which they'd probably like to have once they realize none of their OFs are good enough to play the OF (Damon, Matsui) or start (Melky).
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Post by seaver41 on Jul 26, 2008 11:46:14 GMT -5
Deal was reworked. Pirates got RHP Dan McCutchen, RHP Jeff Karstens, OF Jose Tabata and RHP Ross Ohlendorf. Much better for Pittsburgh.
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Post by Josh on Jul 26, 2008 15:03:35 GMT -5
Nady is ok but he's having a career year. Marte is good. The Yankees were badly misusing Ohlendorf and he'll flourish with Pittsburgh now. Tabata was a good OF prospect which they'd probably like to have once they realize none of their OFs are good enough to play the OF (Damon, Matsui) or start (Melky). Tabata wouldn't be ready for a couple more years anyway, as he has taken serious step backs in the past couple of years...besides, we have something better in the minor leagues at CF, Austin Jackson. Ohlendorf is nothing special, we've got a bunch of pitchers in the minors just as good or better than him. |
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Post by seaver41 on Jul 26, 2008 15:26:18 GMT -5
"we've got a bunch of pitchers in the minors just as good or better than him. "
Doubt that. Yankees do a very good job of overrating their prospects. Look at Hughes and Kennedy.
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Post by yankeeswonseries on Jul 26, 2008 20:53:32 GMT -5
Hughes was decent last year. He will be good Monday during his rehab start, come back and I say put him in long relief, or switch him with rasner in rotation. Kennedy is doing decent in the minors at the moment, he will be a future help if he isn't traded. Wang should be back by September, and Yankees are suposedly eyeing Josh Washburn(I think thats his name) of the Seatlle Mariners. We got plenty of pitching.
Oh yeah and if Hawkins can get back into form in the minors he will be a decent help, Veras was hot not too long ago, how ever expect him to be doing decent/average, Farnsworth is ON FIRE, I don't think Mo has blown a save all year, that new Robinson guy (I think thats his name) is tearing it up with a below 2.00 ERA, Joba is shaping into a starter again!
Oh and did I mention we have the best ERA in July.( I'm 99% sure on this one) I agree, we have a streaky pen and rotation but I believe we are highly underated with our big offense and decent defense. I rather have no ace, but get a few solid veterans( Mussina, Pettite, Rivera) and budding new players(Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner, Wang).
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Jul 27, 2008 13:08:18 GMT -5
Ohlendorf projects to be a 5th starter/long-relief man by most scouts, so I really don't think losing him is a big deal
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Post by seaver41 on Jul 27, 2008 16:15:59 GMT -5
I rather have no ace, but get a few solid veterans( Mussina, Pettite, Rivera) and budding new players(Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner, Wang). Ranser isn't a budding young guy. Hughes is still on the DL. Wang isn't rehabbing until September. Kennedy is no more than a 4th starter. |
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Post by yankeeswonseries on Jul 27, 2008 18:10:57 GMT -5
Hughes was fine last year, aswell as Kennedy. Last I checked Rasner was only what..... 26? I'll double check that. Just cause Wang is on the DL doesn't mean he has been forming into a super-star starter the past season or so.
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Post by seaver41 on Jul 28, 2008 1:47:18 GMT -5
Hughes was fine last year, aswell as Kennedy. And this year? Hughes: 0-4, 22 IP, 34 H, 13 BB, 13K 9.00 ERA, 2.136 WHIP Kennedy: 0-3, 37.7 IP, 41 H, 25 BB, 26 K, 7.41 ERA, 1.752 WHIP He's 27 but a 5th starter at best. Wang isn't a super-star. He's a sinkerballer who barely strikes out enough guys. He only gets so many wins is because they score so many runs for him. They averaged 5.70 runs/game for him in 06 and 6.47 r/g in 07. This year they were averaging 5.43 r/g. |
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Post by yankeeswonseries on Jul 28, 2008 14:57:16 GMT -5
You can't be on your game all of the time, but last time I checked they were both on the DL at one point and have been rehabing recently. You have to give them a chance to come back and possibly preform like last year.
He came through in the clutch this year, the only starter on the Yankees (in the bigs) that deserves the position of a 5th starter is Ponson, who is complete garbage.
K's aren't everything, its about making outs which can be quicker/less pitches then a K. Check out Wang's ERA, not too high IMO . I think a pitcher should be judged by ERA, walks and Innings pitched. MAYBE strikeouts can be a factor, but not as big as the other three I listed.
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Post by seaver41 on Jul 28, 2008 20:00:03 GMT -5
You can't be on your game all of the time, but last time I checked they were both on the DL at one point and have been rehabing recently. You have to give them a chance to come back and possibly preform like last year. They weren't "on their game" at any point in the season. They flat out sucked. Rasner is no more than a 5th starter. He's a 4th at best but you can't expect to win a World Series with him and Ponson at the back of the rotation A pitcher needs to have a K/9 of 4.50 or greater (basically, 1 K per 2 innings). Otherwise they are too dependent on their defense and no pitcher has lasted long with a K/9 lower than 4.50. His K/9 last year were over 4.50 and this year he was barely above it at 5.10 K/9. |
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Post by yankeeswonseries on Jul 29, 2008 15:06:34 GMT -5
He's a ground ball pitcher, if his defense can't handle groundballs then they gotta get out of baseball. A groundball is just as easy of an out as a strikeout, and isn't really hard for anybody to play.
When everyone is healthy and back, this is how I would like the Yankees rotation.
1. Wang
2. Mussina
3. Petitte
4. Chamberlain
5. Hughes
I would prefer to have that, as I think they are all worthy of being in the rotation. I feel Rasner and Kennedy could be in there too, however I feel this will work better. If a seven man rotation would be resonable, they would both be in there too. Rasner also is number three in our rotation, there is a reason for that. He has more experience then Chamberlain, and Ponson is garbage. I hope we trade for that Washburn kid, we would be able to get that garbage ass Ponson out of there.
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Post by seaver41 on Aug 1, 2008 22:18:04 GMT -5
He's a ground ball pitcher, if his defense can't handle groundballs then they gotta get out of baseball. A groundball is just as easy of an out as a strikeout, and isn't really hard for anybody to play. You don't understand. When a pitcher has a K/9 of less than 4.50 as Wang has had in the past, he becomes too dependant on his fielders. It is a bad thing because you're allowing too many balls in play. You need to be able to strike guys out because strikeouts do not put the ball in play. Coming in 2009. |
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Post by yankeeswonseries on Aug 2, 2008 8:04:51 GMT -5
Wang will be back by September, Hughes is making rehab starts as is Kennedy? They should be back for this year?
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