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Post by Fish Troll on Mar 24, 2007 19:21:02 GMT -5
Setup man vs Closer. What the difference? Closer is usually your best pitcher at the bullpen but your setup man usually get more innings in the season then your closer. So why not take more advantage of your closer and let them pitch more (not always have to be those 9th inning save situation).
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Post by seaver41 on Mar 24, 2007 19:30:37 GMT -5
There really is no difference between them or any relievers who pitch 1 inning. The role of the closer is vastly overrated. Any pitcher who can throw 1 good inning can be just as effective a closer as someone like K-Rod, Nathan, or Rivera.
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Post by Josh on Mar 25, 2007 8:10:15 GMT -5
There is a very big difference. There is only one reason why setup men aren't closers. The CLUTCH factor. You can be the best pitcher in the world, but if you can't handle saving the ninth inning of the game(like many relivers do) then your going to be the setup man, even if you have better stuff then the closer.
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Post by seaver41 on Mar 25, 2007 9:37:07 GMT -5
That's not a big difference. Blowing a lead in the 8th is no different than blowing one in the 9th.
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Post by Fish Troll on Mar 25, 2007 12:14:19 GMT -5
9th blow = End of game
8th blow = 1 more chance left
Still shouldn't it make more sense to have your best reliever get the most ip in the bullpen. Like have him pitch the 9th and the 8th inning too to increase your chance of winning.
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Post by seaver41 on Mar 25, 2007 12:54:18 GMT -5
It depends on which batters are up. If you have teh 7, 8, and 9 guys after you SU blows the game, you're not in a better position.
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Post by Josh on Mar 25, 2007 14:07:05 GMT -5
9th blow = End of game 8th blow = 1 more chance left Still shouldn't it make more sense to have your best reliever get the most ip in the bullpen. Like have him pitch the 9th and the 8th inning too to increase your chance of winning. It used to be like that, but for some reason they don't do it anymore. I think that is because they don't want to wear out the pitchers arms, so they put them in for the last and most important inning. |
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Post by Fish Troll on Mar 25, 2007 14:08:32 GMT -5
But if you blow the game in the 9th inning, that it your done game over. Just sit back and watch your opponect team celebrate at the homeplate if your playing away. At least I would like to know that they still need to get 3 or 6 more outs to go before we lose and you know players usually get fire up in a close heated game.
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Post by seaver41 on Mar 25, 2007 14:56:22 GMT -5
How many teams have come back and won from blowing a lead in the 8th as compared to the 9th? You'll likely find very similar numbers.
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Post by Fish Troll on Mar 25, 2007 15:09:22 GMT -5
You do realize that half the time when you blow the game in the 9th inning, you just look up and watch the firework display as it is game over. No way the numbers of times that happen are that similar. I would prefer have as much time(innings) as possible to bounce back and retake the league. If my hitters doesn't get through the 8th inning, then I'll have another shot at the 9th inning then.
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Post by seaver41 on Mar 25, 2007 15:15:01 GMT -5
Yes you do have time, but how likely is it that your players will be able to produce a run in only 2 innings?
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Post by Fish Troll on Mar 25, 2007 15:23:09 GMT -5
The way games are played this days, not all teams have 2 effective pitchers that they'll use for each innings. Don't forget their most dominating between the 2 usually get the 9th inning.
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Post by Fish Troll on Mar 25, 2007 15:41:12 GMT -5
Which is where I question how manager usually use their bullpens. The closer usually pitch only 1 inning in the 9th while the SU pitcher most of the time pitch only 1 inning in the 8th. For most teams, their CL have an ERA lower then their SU since CL are usaully better then SU and yet manager would use their SU more often then their CL because manager would let their SU pitch on any close game situation while CL are allow to pitch on close games when his team is winning. So why won't manager use their closer more often when his team is behind by 1 or 2 runs or when the game is tie? Because manager are so work up trying to give their CL as much save opportunity as possible to raise their saves numbers. If it wasn't for that then manager would use their best reliever (CL) in a winning / tie / or losing situation as long it is a close game. "Game tie 3-3, no need to use the CL, use the SU man. Even though the other team does have a better chance scoring a run against our 2nd best reliever, we must not use our best reliever (CL) until the save oppertunity arrive. " *Other team hit a HR* "Tell our CL to stop warming up, we gotta save him for tomorow game incase their a save oppotunity." He's the closer, why not use him on any close game!  |
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Mar 26, 2007 17:21:31 GMT -5
Yes you do have time, but how likely is it that your players will be able to produce a run in only 2 innings? dude, that even sounds stupid....wut are the chances your hitters will be able to produce a run in 0 innings...stop makin yourself sound like a dumbass |
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Post by seaver41 on Mar 26, 2007 18:17:40 GMT -5
Yes you do have time, but how likely is it that your players will be able to produce a run in only 2 innings? dude, that even sounds stupid....wut are the chances your hitters will be able to produce a run in 0 innings...stop makin yourself sound like a dumbass WTF is your problem? You're always give some a-hole response when I say something you disagree with. My point is this: If a lead has been blown in the 8th, I do not believe the number of times a team has come back and won it (not just tied) is not significantly greater than a team coming back from a blown 9th inning. You're asking your hitters to produce a run in 2 innings when they have already played almost 3 hours. I don't think the one extra inning is enough for a team to produce the amount of runs needed to win. |
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