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Post by seaver41 on Apr 21, 2008 11:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by kalasfan on Apr 21, 2008 13:03:25 GMT -5
330 is not that short. Citi Park's RF foul line is going to be 330. The link to the photo of CBP doesn't work, but it doesn't matter. That ball hit the screen and fell straight down. Neither you nor anybody else knows if or where it would have hit a foul pole which was farther from the plate. IMO, the ball hits any foul pole and it's a HR everywhere. In any case the amount of foul territory beside the bases has zero to do with the fairness or foulness of a fly ball.
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Post by kalasfan on Apr 21, 2008 13:25:44 GMT -5
By the way, and for your information, the following is a list of current baseball teams whose home stadiums have a RF dimension of 330' or less:
Angels, Astros, A's, Blue Jays, Braves, Giants,Indians, Mariners, Orioles, Padres, Phillies, Pirates, Rangers, Rays, Red Sox, Royals, Twins and Yankees. That leaves 12 "different stadiums" where a ball traveling 330 feet fair could possibly go foul before hitting the RF foul pole. The ball would certainly have been a HR in the majority of Major League parks.
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Post by seaver41 on Apr 21, 2008 15:13:48 GMT -5
That's not a home run in San Francisco, Atlanta, Oakland, or San Diego for sure. Those other parks are hitter parks.
No need to be so adamant. No one really cares.
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Post by kalasfan on Apr 21, 2008 16:07:12 GMT -5
You seem to care. You made the point that in a "different park" it's not a home run. If it hit the pole, in any park with a pole 330 feet or less from the plate, it's a home run. Period. There's no other way to look at it. This includes San Francisco, Atlanta, Oakland, and San Diego.
The main point of my side of this discussion is that when you make an assertion, it must be based on facts, backed up with evidence. I researched the point made by a fan of the team against which this home run was hit to see how factual the assertion is. My conclusion is the same for this as it is for many other assertions of "fact" from baseball fans - we see and evaluate plays and results through the filter of our emotional ties to a team. I guess if I were a Mets' fan, I would think that that HR would not be a HR elsewhere, but fortunately for the side of truth, the facts do not bear this out.
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Apr 21, 2008 16:38:38 GMT -5
I really don't think this argument is necessary. Both teams played on the same field with the same dimensions, and if one took advantage of it, than it's good for them
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Post by kalasfan on Apr 21, 2008 16:49:57 GMT -5
What is necessary is for people to base their statements on fact, not opinion, and be prepared to back it up with solid evidence. Baseball fans are notorious for making "factual" statements based on observation, and when it is scrutinized, they didn't see what they thought they saw. Ask any Phillie fan with an ounce of intellectual honesty what kind of player Bobby Abreu is. But to listen to some "fans" you would think that he never produced in a timely manner, stole bases all the time taking the bats out of sluggers' hands, and was more concerned with his personal numbers than his team's winning.
If I see this type of assertion on this board, I am going to question it every time. I want to discuss baseball using the truth, not perceptions and baseball myths as evidence.
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