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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Aug 4, 2007 17:09:15 GMT -5
Wasn't that impressed with him today, it was my first extended look at him. His fastball wasn't as advertised and his curve was inconsistent.
I realize this was his first start back from the DL, but he also wasn't flashing his mid 90's heat as he was advertised to have before he went on the DL.
I don't think he's going to be a real good pitcher (ace type) if he doesn't. I realize that it's not all about velocity, but I think he'll settle in as a #2 or #3 starter if his velocity doesn't go back up.
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Post by seaver41 on Aug 4, 2007 17:18:09 GMT -5
He is overhyped. People perceived him to be the next Roger Clemens when he hadn't even won a game at the major league level. It's stupid that the Yankees are making him pitch at this level just to salvage their season.
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Post by Josh on Aug 4, 2007 22:06:56 GMT -5
Hughes won player of the week while at AAA for his rehab starts. So saying that he still isn't ready I could understand, but not as much as I would have believed before he went down. He simply had a bad start today. He was solid until the fifth, when he started to leave the ball up in the zone. His breaking pitches were respectable until then. And, you can't expect him to pitch like an ace yet. It is his first season. You are going to have your ups(no hitter through 6 1/3 before injury cut short start) and your downs(today).
The bats today were great as usual. Hopefully tomorrow Moose can ride the momentum of this club to a solid start.
AL East - 6.5 GB AL Wild Card - 1.5 GB
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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Aug 4, 2007 23:31:58 GMT -5
I'm not expecting him to pitch like an ace right away, that's definitely unrealistic.
I just created this thread to say, with all the expectations for him the be the next ACE of the Yankees, I don't think he'll live up to that billing. He will be good, probably a #2 or #3 starter.
Not like he wouldn't be the first prospect not to live up to their billing.
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Post by seaver41 on Aug 5, 2007 9:43:50 GMT -5
He can be the ace of the Yankees. It's not hard to be better than Wang. Check out Wang's gamelog, half of his starts have been average or worse.
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Post by Josh on Aug 5, 2007 14:38:40 GMT -5
If all goes as planned, it'll be Hughes-Chamberlain-Wang. That is if everything continues as it is. Edit: And the thing about half of Wang's starts being average or worse... thats complete utter bullshit. newyork.yankees.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?playerID=425426&statType=2He's had two starts where he allowed atleast five runs. The most walks he's allowed in a game were four, and that happened on three occasions. He's allowed 10 or more hits only twice. Sure, he's probably not an ace on a solid play-off team, but to say half of his starts are average or worse is bull. |
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Post by seaver41 on Aug 5, 2007 15:13:35 GMT -5
I'll go through them all.  Blue is good, Black is average, Red is bad. 9 blue, 6 average, 5 bad. Of 20 starts, only 9 are good while 11 are average or worse. |
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Post by Josh on Aug 5, 2007 16:04:43 GMT -5
Starts when he gives up four runs are not bad. Those, are average. The starts on May 10th and June 28th were bad starts.
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Post by seaver41 on Aug 5, 2007 16:30:24 GMT -5
Let's look at the 3 starts where he gave up 4 runs.
April 29, he blew a 1-run lead in a very important game.
June 23, he had a 3 run lead over the Giants and blew that. That is VERY bad, especially against the Giants.
July 24, he gave up 4 runs to the Royals, not great by any means.
2 of those 3 were not good.
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Post by Ziggy/Franzen Troll on Aug 5, 2007 19:42:40 GMT -5
All that matters is his June 17th start against the greatest team in baseball
/sarcastic jackass
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Aug 5, 2007 20:17:38 GMT -5
All that matters is his June 17th start against the greatest team in baseball /sarcastic jackass its too bad he's never pitched against the team 1 game in from of the NATS |
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Post by Josh on Aug 5, 2007 20:29:33 GMT -5
Let's look at the 3 starts where he gave up 4 runs. April 29, he blew a 1-run lead in a very important game. June 23, he had a 3 run lead over the Giants and blew that. That is VERY bad, especially against the Giants. July 24, he gave up 4 runs to the Royals, not great by any means. 2 of those 3 were not good. Great, he had two bad starts. Does that make him not a good no.2 or no.3 ? |
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Post by Ziggy/Franzen Troll on Aug 5, 2007 20:48:59 GMT -5
All that matters is his June 17th start against the greatest team in baseball /sarcastic jackass its too bad he's never pitched against the team 1 game in from of the NATS ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha you're bringing the marlins into this? ok i admit we suck, but i dont need a 15 year old telling me that. now that ive stated that, you best stay on topic, or else you will be told this again and again. so dont bother wasting your time SON. lol. someone does have a little too much time on his hands when they pay attention to their most hated team more then theirs. |
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Aug 5, 2007 21:01:49 GMT -5
its too bad he's never pitched against the team 1 game in from of the NATS ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha you're bringing the marlins into this? ok i admit we suck, but i dont need a 15 year old telling me that. now that ive stated that, you best stay on topic, or else you will be told this again and again. so dont bother wasting your time SON. lol. someone does have a little too much time on his hands when they pay attention to their most hated team more then theirs. 1) u brought the mets into it, i didnt start it 2) i've forgotten more about baseball than u will ever know 3) i dont hate the marlins, like it said in ur sig 4 a while, i dont mind them b/c they dont pose a threat |
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Post by Ziggy/Franzen Troll on Aug 5, 2007 21:07:11 GMT -5
ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha you're bringing the marlins into this? ok i admit we suck, but i dont need a 15 year old telling me that. now that ive stated that, you best stay on topic, or else you will be told this again and again. so dont bother wasting your time SON. lol. someone does have a little too much time on his hands when they pay attention to their most hated team more then theirs. 1) u brought the mets into it, i didnt start it 2) i've forgotten more about baseball than u will ever know 3) i dont hate the marlins, like it said in ur sig 4 a while, i dont mind them b/c they dont pose a threat yes yes i know, but i started it with seaver, and he knows its all fun and games. did you now? but its not very nice to remind us how much we suck, we leave that up to the next game, and see the same result, aside from the 2 ugly wins. as for hate, glad we both have the same hate for the phillies, to say the least. as for not being a threat, pretty much hit that one right on the head, credit given, but only for now  . oh and hope your boy glavine gets the win, great guy and pitcher. |
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