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Post by Fish Troll on Oct 30, 2007 22:37:13 GMT -5
The Red Sox did end up winning the World Series, but it wasn't from his production. Do you think it was still money well spent, or can the Red Sox still be champion without Dice-K in their rotation?
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Oct 30, 2007 22:43:03 GMT -5
no. If he was young, then maybe. But isn't he in his thirties now?
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Post by Fish Troll on Oct 30, 2007 22:48:40 GMT -5
He was 26 when they sign him.
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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Oct 30, 2007 23:16:29 GMT -5
His control was horrible at the end of the year.
But no, not really. Basically it's a 6y/100m contract, was Dice worth 17 million this year? Hell no.
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Post by seaver41 on Oct 31, 2007 13:39:53 GMT -5
He was. All of you are only thinking of his production on the field. You fail to realize how obsessed Japan is with him. The revenue they made from Japan alone probably paid for a year of his salary.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Oct 31, 2007 17:30:14 GMT -5
He was. All of you are only thinking of his production on the field. You fail to realize how obsessed Japan is with him. The revenue they made from Japan alone probably paid for a year of his salary.
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Post by seaver41 on Oct 31, 2007 17:52:52 GMT -5
He will be better next year. He was adjusting to ML hitters and ballparks. He probably felt pressure to do more than he could. He also has the pressure of needing to win a WS off his shoulder. He'll never have to worry about having to prove his worth by winning one in the future; he already did it this season.
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Post by Fish Troll on Oct 31, 2007 18:23:03 GMT -5
This was the year that MLB hitters had to adjust to his shuuto pitch. Now that they done that, I want to see how Dice-K will avoid getting cream next year.  |
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Post by seaver41 on Oct 31, 2007 19:54:16 GMT -5
Kinda like the league creamed Josh Beckett this year?
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Post by Fish Troll on Oct 31, 2007 20:00:58 GMT -5
Wait, the fastball is a rare type of pitch?  |
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Post by hp93 on Nov 5, 2007 14:54:17 GMT -5
Dice-K isn't worth the money. He had a 4.40 ERA, and went 15-12. His ERA was too high, and he lost too many games for them. I know the Red Sox won the WS, but he wasn't the reason why. His postseason ERA added up says it all. 5.03....
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 5, 2007 15:42:26 GMT -5
You fail to look past the statistics. Dice-K is huge, HUGE in Japan. The revenue the Red Sox have made from his popularity there is inconceivable.
Post-season ERA is a bad measure to judge a player. It's good for a 162 game season but not for the playoffs because of how small it is. He only had 1 bad start in the playoffs, Game 3 of the ALCS. Francona gave him a quick hook in the ALDS. He pitched very well in Game 7 of the ALCS and Game 3 of the World Series.
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Post by hp93 on Nov 5, 2007 16:53:44 GMT -5
You fail to look past the statistics. Dice-K is huge, HUGE in Japan. The revenue the Red Sox have made from his popularity there is inconceivable. I'm saying that he isn't worth the money that he is being paid to pitch for the Red Sox. Everyone thought that he was going to be amazing. What Red Sox fan would've thought that he would end the season with a 4.40 ERA, and a 15-12 record? I know he is very popular in Japan, but Japan is Japan. I'm just trying to say that he hasn't pitched as well as people thought he would've. |
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Post by Josh on Nov 5, 2007 17:29:09 GMT -5
I think he'll be better next season when he gets more adjusted to the mlb hitters. Although so far he hasn't been worth it.
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Post by seaver41 on Nov 5, 2007 20:29:59 GMT -5
His popularity makes his contract worth it. You guys really have no idea as to how much the Red Sox are making. After his 6 years in Boston, he'll have paid for himself.
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