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Post by Star Man on Jun 27, 2007 19:40:48 GMT -5
Wow. Just wow. The most visible baseball analyst on the biggest sports network in the world and he can actually get away with saying "and this OPS stuff they do" ...is overrated.
And you know that "this OPS stuff they do" is just Joe's shorthand for any kind of analysis more complicated than "wins are good, losses are bad!"
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 27, 2007 20:27:11 GMT -5
wow, wut an idiot...lol
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 27, 2007 21:06:18 GMT -5
He's an idiot. Saves and Win/Losses are the most overrated stats. Saves moreso b/c if guys like Wickman and Jones can get a lot.
Batting stats depend on the type of hitter. I think BA is important for the bottom of the order (hits bring in runs) while OBP is important for the top of the order (have to get on base to score runs).
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 27, 2007 21:32:26 GMT -5
He's an idiot. Saves and Win/Losses are the most overrated stats. Saves moreso b/c if guys like Wickman and Jones can get a lot. pot callin the tea kettle black? |
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 27, 2007 21:34:09 GMT -5
How am I an idiot? Because I don't think Willie Randolph is a brilliant tactician of a manager?
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 27, 2007 21:35:05 GMT -5
How am I an idiot? Because I don't think Willie Randolph is a brilliant tactician of a manager? b/c you think wins is an overrated stat...lol |
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 27, 2007 21:42:24 GMT -5
They are. Wins/Losses are a matter of luck.
Does a guy who goes 7 innings and gives up 1 run deserves a loss b/c the other pitcher pitched a shut out?
Does a guy who gave up 10 runs over 6 innings deserves a win b/c the other guy gave up 12 over 7 innings?
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Post by Josh on Jun 28, 2007 0:45:34 GMT -5
Wins are pointless. Randy Johnson must of won 15+ games last year with a 5.00 ERA.
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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Jun 28, 2007 1:47:11 GMT -5
They are. Wins/Losses are a matter of luck. Does a guy who goes 7 innings and gives up 1 run deserves a loss b/c the other pitcher pitched a shut out? Does a guy who gave up 10 runs over 6 innings deserves a win b/c the other guy gave up 12 over 7 innings? agreed. gil meche doesn't deserve to be 5-6 right now...his run support is among the worst in the AL. just like all those times last year when Clemens got no run support from the Astros...the number of wins is luck. |
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 28, 2007 10:37:07 GMT -5
Wins are pointless. Randy Johnson must of won 15+ games last year with a 5.00 ERA. They aren't pointless. They just aren't the best way to measure a pitcher. |
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Jun 28, 2007 12:40:37 GMT -5
I hate the people that say that a team should dump a pitcher because he isn't finding ways to win. Just makes no sense looking at their record.
And I kind of like Joe Morgan. But I disagree about his pointless stats completely.
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Post by Star Man on Jun 28, 2007 17:39:56 GMT -5
Saves and Win/Losses are the most overrated stats. Don't forget RBI |
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Post by jays on Jun 28, 2007 20:20:34 GMT -5
most overrated stat is runs, k I know it means something but you can sacrifice or something
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 28, 2007 23:25:48 GMT -5
Saves and Win/Losses are the most overrated stats. Don't forget RBI i'm really hoping thats sarcasm |
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Post by jays on Jun 29, 2007 7:18:57 GMT -5
lol
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