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Post by seaver41 on Jun 29, 2007 14:13:17 GMT -5
i'm really hoping thats sarcasm RBI is overrated b/c it relies heavily on the ability of the batters ahead of you in the order, not your own. |
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 29, 2007 14:55:13 GMT -5
i'm really hoping thats sarcasm RBI is overrated b/c it relies heavily on the ability of the batters ahead of you in the order, not your own. but you still hav 2 drive them in... |
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Post by jays on Jun 29, 2007 16:13:35 GMT -5
thats considered clutch
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Post by Star Man on Jun 29, 2007 16:58:12 GMT -5
RBI is just as much a measure of how good the players in front of a hitter are, as much as it is a measure of a hitter's skill. I love Baseball America's example of Ruben Sierra's 1993 season: Sierra was one of the worst offensive players in baseball that year (.233 BA/.390 SLG) yet had over 100 RBI that season.
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 29, 2007 17:07:22 GMT -5
but you still hav 2 drive them in... They have to be on base for you to drive them in and a batter has no control of putting the guy(s) ahead of him on base. |
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 29, 2007 18:44:51 GMT -5
RBI is just as much a measure of how good the players in front of a hitter are, as much as it is a measure of a hitter's skill. I love Baseball America's example of Ruben Sierra's 1993 season: Sierra was one of the worst offensive players in baseball that year (.233 BA/.390 SLG) yet had over 100 RBI that season. exactly, thats being clutch... |
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Post by Star Man on Jun 29, 2007 18:51:01 GMT -5
I'm not a big believer in "clutch". I don't see how a player's chances of getting a hit are affected by the situation (i.e. runners in scoring position, two outs, etc.)
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 29, 2007 18:57:04 GMT -5
Clutch is indeed a myth. There is nothing that proves that a player performs better in clutch situations. Guys like Derek Jeter and David Ortiz do in fact get out in "clutch" situations, we just remember the times they get hits and therefore deem them "clutch" players.
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Post by jays on Jun 29, 2007 19:09:30 GMT -5
I believe in it, the players that can bare down with 2 outs basses loaded down 3 on the bottom of the 9th in the world series, and they hit a walkoff? thats clutch
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Post by Star Man on Jun 29, 2007 19:34:33 GMT -5
Clutch is indeed a myth. There is nothing that proves that a player performs better in clutch situations. Guys like Derek Jeter and David Ortiz do in fact get out in "clutch" situations, we just remember the times they get hits and therefore deem them "clutch" players. Good post...Agreed 100% Another thing...the players who you mentioned, like David Ortiz and Derek Jeter are more likely to come through with a hit in a clutch situation than the average hitter because they're, well, better than the average hitter. |
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Jun 29, 2007 19:57:46 GMT -5
I'm not a big believer in "clutch". I don't see how a player's chances of getting a hit are affected by the situation (i.e. runners in scoring position, two outs, etc.) some people (i'm not gonna say who) get nervous in those situations and dont hit at all... |
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 29, 2007 21:32:51 GMT -5
some people (i'm not gonna say who) get nervous in those situations and dont hit at all... Everyone gets nervous. Here's some proof clutch is a myth. Last year, A-Rod had a .474 BA with the bases loaded. Jeter had a .455 BA. With 2 outs, RISP A-Rod and Jeter both had 33 RBI. In a Late & Close games, A-Rod had 20 RBIs while Jeter had 19. In Tie Games, A-Rod had 30 RBI while Jeter only had 22 RBI. |
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Post by jays on Jun 29, 2007 22:39:55 GMT -5
yes but guys like Marcus Thames of the Tigers are clutch hiters, Frank Catalanato of the Rangers, that Crust guy in Oakland, YES NOT WELL KNOWN BUT CLUTCH!
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Post by seaver41 on Jun 29, 2007 22:43:09 GMT -5
I just saw Cust (not Crust. Now I want pizza...) strike out withe the tying and go-ahead runs on base.
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Post by jays on Jun 29, 2007 22:52:32 GMT -5
bad day??
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