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Post by Marlins on Feb 3, 2007 23:44:21 GMT -5
btw for global moderator... thats doesntmean anything the tigers held the best offense to nothin but lost a worse offense then the Mets in the worldseries. if ur sayin the cards are better than the yanks i cant agree wit u.... And if ur sayin the Mets arent better than the cards, which the topic is about, NL NL NL NL, than idk, so lets reivew... Tigers beat yanks, cards beat mets, and cards beat tigers.... so then the cards must have the best pitchin right, but they dont... which one Both the Mets and Yankees are better than the Cardinals, but the Cardinals pitching was spectacular in the playoffs. However, that was totally unexpected, and you can't say the Mets are gonna win the NLCS even though their pitching is lacking.
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Post by diehardmetsfan on Feb 3, 2007 23:44:26 GMT -5
I might be a bit of a home fan, but I don’t think that the Cards will repeat. I think they can, but I don’t think they will. I think that the Mets will be able to beat the Cards this year and take home the NL crown, for a couple reasons.
1) The Mets had a better team last year, but they lacked postseason experience(they only had 11 players with post-season experience and 5 were relievers). The best players on their team(Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Delgado) all had their 1st postseason experience in 2006. Although, they performed well, I think with experience, they will perform better. 2) People talk about the Mets pitching problems, but the Cards also have pitching issues, including an unsure ‘pen. The Mets offense is good enough that they will have a good enough record to allow Pedro Martinez to take all the time he needs to be fully healthy and come back and be the ace of the team. And, if the Mets young pitcher’s prove themselves, then the Mets have an excellent shot at taking home the crown. 3) The Mets offense up and down the lineup is all-around better than the Cards. Even though the Cards have the best hitter in baseball, in Albert Pujols, the Mets lineup as a hole, is better.
With all this being said, I think that it will definitely be the Mets and the Cards in the 2007 NLCS. I think it will be a great 6-7 game series to watch. I think the Mets will take it home, though.
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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Feb 3, 2007 23:44:57 GMT -5
No, the Cardinals simply will not be able to repeat. First of all - the division. The NL Central will be a much tougher division. 83 wins won't cut it next year to win the division, and I fail to see how they improved the team this offseason. Losing Weaver and Suppan hurt.
--- The Brewers made huge strides last year - and with a healthy Rickie Weeks and Ben Sheets combined with the signing of Jeff Suppan (who left the Cardinals), the Brewers will be a force in the NL Central next year --- The Pirates have a young, talented pitching staff that could breakthrough next year, ala the Marlins of 2006. Tom Gorzelanny, Zach Duke, Ian Snell, and Paul Maholm make a great 1-4. Addition of 1B Adam LaRoche will give them a lefty bat with power they need. --- The Cubs. They have spent nearly 300 million bucks including the additions of a 40-40 man in Alfonso Soriano and a solid innings eater in Ted Lilly. A healthy Derrek Lee could put them over the top.
In the end, the Cardinals will be there in the race, but the youth and inexperience at the back end of the rotation will hurt them, and I don't think they'll make the playoffs.
Who will win? The Dodgers. Not only did the sport a 88-74 record last season, they went out and improved the team by signing ace Jason Schmidt who posted a 3.56 ERA last season. They also went out and signed Juan Pierre and his 325 career steals for some much needed speed at the top of the lineup. Randy Wolf may have been the steal of the offseason with a 4.21 career ERA. He'll solidify the middle of the rotation. Shutdown relievers Jon Broxton and Takashi Saito will eliminate the last 2 innings of the games. Young guns Russell Martin and Andre Ethier will build on last seasons success, and newcomer OF Luis Gonzalez will provide the necessary veteran leadership necessary to win a world series title.
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Post by Josh on Feb 3, 2007 23:45:25 GMT -5
btw for global moderator... thats doesntmean anything the tigers held the best offense to nothin but lost a worse offense then the Mets in the worldseries. if ur sayin the cards are better than the yanks i cant agree wit u.... And if ur sayin the Mets arent better than the cards, which the topic is about, NL NL NL NL, than idk, so lets reivew... Tigers beat yanks, cards beat mets, and cards beat tigers.... so then the cards must have the best pitchin right, but they dont... which one They lost two of their best postseason pitchers to FA, and please don't post if it's not your turn.
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Post by Josh on Feb 3, 2007 23:48:13 GMT -5
7 points for doublestix... i'll grade diehardmetsfans now
brewersgm:4 diehardmetsfan:3 doublestix:12 HoustonGM and Slugfest:12 Soriano12:7 bkgangstapianisr :7
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Post by Marlins on Feb 3, 2007 23:49:00 GMT -5
I think that it will definitely be the Mets and the Cards in the 2007 NLCS. Wow, that's a very bold. statement. I can't believe you really think the Cards will make it to the NLCS again...
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Post by Josh on Feb 3, 2007 23:50:06 GMT -5
6 points diehardmetsfan, brewersgm is up..
brewersgm:4 diehardmetsfan:9 doublestix:12 HoustonGM and Slugfest:12 Soriano12:7 bkgangstapianisr :7
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Post by brewersgm on Feb 3, 2007 23:50:25 GMT -5
I think that the Mets will win the NL Champs, because of this fact, They have the SP, they have the young nucleus, they have everything thy need to win the NL championship. They have Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Chavez, they have the SP in Glavine, Pedro, they have the closer in Wagner. STL doesnt scare me at all either because of the fact they lost more than they gained. They got worse than better. They lost Weaver, and there only other good SP is Carpenter. If Kris Benson is there 3rd starter they have problems also there lineup is old. Pujols is awesome, but Edmonds is getting up there in age, and they have Chris Duncan who is good but still young. Rolen has injury problems and is getting old. Eckstein is not good at all imo, he has no power but has some good contact. Lets look who else is there. In the NL west COL isnt good, SD isnt good, ARI isnt good, LAD is the only team who I think could challange the Mets. They have an all star SP in Penny, they have Russell Martin, but all in all I think the division champs will go to the Mets.
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Post by Marlins on Feb 3, 2007 23:50:53 GMT -5
Who will win? The Dodgers. Finally! Thank-you!
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Post by Josh on Feb 3, 2007 23:53:05 GMT -5
6 points...doublestix and slugfest in finals(round 2) doublestix is up
brewersgm:10 diehardmetsfan:9 doublestix:12 HoustonGM and Slugfest:12 Soriano12:7 bkgangstapianisr :7
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Post by seaver41 on Feb 3, 2007 23:54:59 GMT -5
next time, can we do it at a more reasonable hr?
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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Feb 4, 2007 0:05:09 GMT -5
sorry I got distracted.
Yes, absolutely they can. Will they? Yes absolutely. They have a fantastic rotation with emerging youngsters Justin Verlander and Jeremy Bonderman, to go along with a veteran leader in Kenny Rogers that make a fantastic 1-2-3. Nate Robertson and Mike Maroth are solid middle of the rotation guys with a 3.84 and a 4.19 ERA respectivaly, they'd probably #2 or #3 on most teams, while their finishing out the rotation with the Tigers.
Curtis Granderson was an exciting rookie to watch last year, belting 19 HR's and playing great defense out in center field. Shortstop Carlos Guillen is the most underrated player in the game, playing solid defense and sporting a .919 OPS with 20 steals. Pudge has not lost a step, and is still the best defensive catcher in the game. Magglio Ordonez proved he was still a great hitter, belting 24 HR's last year.
Most importantly, they acquired Gary Sheffield to be their DH next year. He still is one of the best HR hitters in the game and has extremely quick hands. He will be the guy to put this team over the top, ultimitely leading them to a world series title!
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Post by Josh on Feb 4, 2007 0:05:26 GMT -5
Marlins is finishing off the night.
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Post by Marlins on Feb 4, 2007 0:09:36 GMT -5
sorry I got distracted. Yes, absolutely they can. Will they? Yes absolutely. They have a fantastic rotation with emerging youngsters Justin Verlander and Jeremy Bonderman, to go along with a veteran leader in Kenny Rogers that make a fantastic 1-2-3. Nate Robertson and Mike Maroth are solid middle of the rotation guys with a 3.84 and a 4.19 ERA respectivaly, they'd probably #2 or #3 on most teams, while their finishing out the rotation with the Tigers. Curtis Granderson was an exciting rookie to watch last year, belting 19 HR's and playing great defense out in center field. Shortstop Carlos Guillen is the most underrated player in the game, playing solid defense and sporting a .919 OPS with 20 steals. Pudge has not lost a step, and is still the best defensive catcher in the game. Magglio Ordonez proved he was still a great hitter, belting 24 HR's last year. Most importantly, they acquired Gary Sheffield to be their DH next year. He still is one of the best HR hitters in the game and has extremely quick hands. He will be the guy to put this team over the top, ultimitely leading them to a world series title! Absolutely. They were amazing last season, and they're even better this season. They seem to have no weak points also... 6 points slugfest up
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Post by slugfest504 on Feb 4, 2007 0:11:28 GMT -5
Will the real Tigers please stand up? Which team is the real team, the one that was 40 games over .500 in the first half (or whatever gaudy number it was) or the team that played neck and neck with KC? The team that beat the Yankees or the one that looked like the "before" Bad News Bears in St. Louis? They might get by with their pitching. Robertson, Bonderman and Rogers may not suffer late season tired or injured arms, as has been the case often in the past. Or one, two, or three of them might have pitching problems. Even if they stay healthy, Rogers is nearing a point where he's going to have to reetire. Is this the year they start hitting him? And who will the number five starater be? Maroth and his injured arm? Minor, who fell apart in the last half and has no speed to begin with? Will Miller be ready or spend the season in AAA? Will Guillen stay healthy? Pudge? Will Inge continue to hit a decent number of homers but rarely get on base? Will Casey hit .260, or whatever it was in the regular season or hit .300, as he did most of his career? Shef definitly will help them score, but they are no lock to win the division let alone win the World Series. The odds of everyone staying healthy and playing as good as they've ever played are very long. And the infield does not have a bench that can effectivly step in. As it is constructed now, it should be a good team. If its not the tigers it’s the Yankees. They have a much deeper team. There bullpen looks good and there rotation has depth, as players from the minors are ready to step up if needed. Do I need to say anything about there lineup, only that it will need to step up in the playoffs. If they get Clemens that really favors the yanks.
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