redz
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Post by redz on Aug 30, 2008 14:28:58 GMT -5
Since the reds got rid of the bad players dunn and griffey they will be so good next year Homer Bailey will be the Ace Aaron Harang will regroup and Micah Owing is going to be really good. Brandon Phillips is got a chance for a Gold Glove I think the Reds will be amazing in 2009
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Post by chisox100 on Aug 30, 2008 17:53:43 GMT -5
Wow..............I thought I was bias towards my team. This is just plain wrong the reds are going to suck until they get some decent pitching and Micah Owings is not the answer and getting rid of Adam Dunn is not helping in the 2-3 year term. This is a franshise with some problems dont look for a small market team like the Reds to make a big comeback any time soon the basic components are not there, unlike Tampa they do not have good starting pitching for a turn around and there hitting is now shit with Dunn and Griffey gone, Brandon Phillips and Edwin Encarnacion are not going to carry an offense.
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Aug 30, 2008 18:03:29 GMT -5
wow, both of you are completely wrong. Their pitching is fine, assuming Harang can be at least decent. Volquez, Cueto, Harang, and Arroyo make for a solid rotation. EE and Phillips being the only offensive players? Votto, Bruce, and Stubbs are/were some of the most highly rated specs in the game. Their farm system is ranked #3 in the MLB. Considering they're willing to spend money, being a small market team isn't that big of a deal.
Know what you're talking about before you insult a team like that. They won't compete next season, but their future is very bright, much better than the White Sox. And I'm not a homer, ask anyone on here
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Post by chisox100 on Sept 1, 2008 22:52:07 GMT -5
wow, both of you are completely wrong. Their pitching is fine, assuming Harang can be at least decent. Volquez, Cueto, Harang, and Arroyo make for a solid rotation. EE and Phillips being the only offensive players? Votto, Bruce, and Stubbs are/were some of the most highly rated specs in the game. Their farm system is ranked #3 in the MLB. Considering they're willing to spend money, being a small market team isn't that big of a deal. Know what you're talking about before you insult a team like that. They won't compete next season, but their future is very bright, much better than the White Sox. And I'm not a homer, ask anyone on here Did I say you were a homer? And who says Harang will improve? Who says Volquez will have another good season since he is starting to struggle already. Bronson Arroyo is a .500 pitcher. Anybody with an ERA over or close to 5 should not be considered a solid starter. Besides the AL is tougher to compete in. the NL is like crap compared to the AL so the White Sox will have to put together a better team together than the Reds would to compete. We have a team that can compete for a few years to come. You dont know shit about the White Sox since Jose Conteras is done we still have 3 solid young pitcher we can turn to Aaron Poreda will be ready next year, Lance Broadway is going to be ready and Clayton Richard is ready. Our pitching staff already has the components to be one of the best 23 year old John Danks, 25 year old Gavin Floyd, 29 year old Mark Buehrle and Bobby Jenks is only 27. Swisher, Alexei, Pierzynski and Quentin are all under 30 and under contract for a long time. Our team is going to be good maybe not great for a while still to come. Our teams core players are young. Our team is looking good for the time. But thats not the main point. Cincinatti has not had a good season since 1999 and all those good first round picks have gotten the team no where for a long time now, 8 years and still nothing. I dont think it takes that long for a team to re-build unless there owners and managers dont give a damn which seems likely since there is no excuse for going 8 years without a winning season in the new free agent era. Its understandable for a new team but for a team that has had a fanbase since 1869, money is not a problem (so they waste in on Griffey?) Basically they have not gone anywhere in a while. 3rd best minor league system means nothing a few years back the White Sox had the best "crop" of young outfielders in baseball so tell me if you know more than 2 of these names: Brian Anderson Jerry Owens Ryan Sweeney Luis Terroro Andy Gonzales Chris Young Casey Rogowolski Jeremy Reed Joe Bourchard Dont think you heard of many of them if the best outfield group can fail so the minor league system can work that way too. The Reds will be the laughing stock of the league for years to come. I highly doubt to see anything from them but being spoilers and pretenders for a while. Having the basic components still means nothing, Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips and Edison Volquez dont count for anything unless they have good players around them in the lineup and in the bullpen. Look at the Rockies they have the basic components in Troy Tulowitzski, Matt Hollliday, Garret Atkins, Aaron Cook and Ubaldo Jimeniz.. No bullpen and weak lineup around them. To be a contender you need a balance unless the Reds can pull off a miracle and develop a great Catcher, outfielder, pitcher and relief pitcher all in the next 3 years before there key components are ready to become free agents. Dont look for them to be a great team for a long time. Thats enough said besides there are still to many ifs for them to be even .500. |
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Sept 1, 2008 23:18:35 GMT -5
OK, you are just plain stupid one this one. THEY HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT, A GM, AND MANAGER WHO ALL WANT TO WIN, UNLIKE PREVIOUS YEARS
1)I'm not going to read all of that
2)ask anyone, their system has the parts to contend
So, they have many good prospects, 3rd in the league, a GM who has built contending teams, and an owner willing to dish out tons of money
WTF are you talking about with the development thing? They have a solid rotation. Harang has looked much better of late after suffering a injury stemming from a relief appearance. Volquez and Cueto have both never pitched this many innings in their life and are in their first full season. Arroyo is a solid 4/5 because he pitches 200 innings. Plus, he's looked much better as of late and has won 13 games.
The bullpen is fine, with a solid closer, a great setup-man, Burton, and some good relievers in the minors to bring up for MR(they could also sign some).
So look at this future lineup in '10:
C: Sign/Trade one/1st round pick in minors
1B: Alonso(2008 1st round pick, should be ready quickly)
2B: Phillips
SS: Francisco(one of the top 3B in AA)/Other guys I can't recall, but have found great success in minors
3B: Encarnacion
LF: Votto
CF: Stubbs(1st round pick)
RF: Bruce
SP: Volquez
SP: Cueto
SP: Harang
SP: Bailey/Owings/Maloney/Thompson/Buck
SP: Arroyo
Look at our past few drafts, they've all been good. The bad ones were under previous management. Dude, the consensus around the league is that the Reds have the tools in the minors to contend in the next 2-3 years, just look at some articles. I don't know why you can't see this, they have young talented players already one the team and great minor leaguers along with Jocketty. I can't say for sure that they'll be good, but to take such a bold stance on a situation that looks good isn't smart
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Post by Zack Attack Troll on Sept 1, 2008 23:28:58 GMT -5
chisox, gimme a break son. Half those outfielders you listed weren't very highly touted. The only real "mega bust" there was Borchard.
Your post comes off as extremely "homerish" anyways.
Also, a few times hitting the enter key would be good.
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Sept 1, 2008 23:37:03 GMT -5
So sox, how exactly do you know they'll fail? How does a bad team get better? Through the minors, just like the Rays have done. I don't see why you're so down on them
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Post by chisox100 on Sept 2, 2008 16:32:45 GMT -5
OK, you are just plain stupid one this one. THEY HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT, A GM, AND MANAGER WHO ALL WANT TO WIN, UNLIKE PREVIOUS YEARS 1)I'm not going to read all of that C: Sign/Trade one/1st round pick in minors 1B: Alonso(2008 1st round pick, should be ready quickly) 2B: Phillips SS: Francisco(one of the top 3B in AA)/Other guys I can't recall, but have found great success in minors 3B: Encarnacion LF: Votto CF: Stubbs(1st round pick) RF: Bruce SP: Volquez SP: Cueto SP: Harang SP: Bailey/Owings/Maloney/Thompson/Buck SP: Arroyo Dusty Baker a winner.......yeah sure San Fransisco was long time ago, after making a lot of dumbass mistakes with the Cubs he is not a manager you want if you plan to contend. Things happen to teams over the course of a few years, injuries (sometimes unfortunately some times career ending) Players can fall apart (look at players who had 1 or 2 great years then fall apart, it happens) Too many ifs for the Reds. And I know about farm systems I knew the rays would have a good team this year (looking back at my predictions I predicted them to go 86-76, I was closer than most people predicted so if you think I dont make an argument I dont know the MLB. Besides I dont really care about the Reds so Im wasting my time arguing (I only care about the Reds when they play the Cubs) |
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Sept 2, 2008 16:50:15 GMT -5
Cool, then stop arguing against common sense
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Post by Fish Troll on Sept 2, 2008 16:58:31 GMT -5
LOL at this thread.
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Sept 2, 2008 17:09:19 GMT -5
OK, here is the most simple way I can put it.
When bad teams get good, they usually need two things: a good farm system and good GM. They have both.
I'm not giving you any guarantees like you are. When a team depends on a farm system, you can't do that, you can only play the odds. Since they have the system to win in the future, the chance of being good is greater than being bad. Do you understand?
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Post by Josh on Sept 2, 2008 17:20:27 GMT -5
A good few 4-5 players can't change a season around.
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Post by chisox100 on Sept 2, 2008 20:39:26 GMT -5
Cool, then stop arguing against common sense ok, if the Reds are good in 2010 I'll mail you 100$  |
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Post by Fuck Mike Brown on Sept 2, 2008 20:51:30 GMT -5
did you even read my simple explanation? I'm not saying they'll definitely be good, what about this can you not understand?
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Post by chisox100 on Sept 3, 2008 17:12:11 GMT -5
did you even read my simple explanation? I'm not saying they'll definitely be good, what about this can you not understand? I get it fine but I doubt the Reds will be good thats what Im saying. I understand your predictions and all but thats me idea. |
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